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XxRaVeNxX

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I've often wondered, why in iTunes, it would list some artists by last name, and some others by first name. And then I realized this 'sort artist' field...Which is pointless to me. But is there some automated way that Jaikoz to make the sort artist field the exact same as the artist field?
paultaylor

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No, but if you dont like the Sort Artist field you can tell Jaikoz not to populate it by setting to Never Populate in Preferences/Musicbrainz/Format/Sort Artist.

thanks Paul (Administrator)
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XxRaVeNxX wrote:
I've often wondered, why in iTunes, it would list some artists by last name, and some others by first name. And then I realized this 'sort artist' field...Which is pointless to me. But is there some automated way that Jaikoz to make the sort artist field the exact same as the artist field? 


If you are on a mac, run don't walk to Doug's iTunes Scripts. There is one that will copy Artist to Album Artist and it is trivial to change it to copy to Sort Artist instead.

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Sailor

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I came across the same situation and decided to delete all Sort Album Artist, Sort Artist and Sort Album information. I set Jaikoz also to never populate it.

I don't want to use a script to fix it in iTunes lib only. I have to occasionally repopulate the iTunes libs so this would be another thing to remember and bother.

The challenge is tough that many of my files include already this information. This means I would have to manually delete this, and this requires me to keep these colums visible in the edit pane. This real-estate is expensive.

It would be really nice to have a setting in Jaikoz that would automatically delete the content of selected fields in the autocorrector.
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Sailor wrote:

It would be really nice to have a setting in Jaikoz that would automatically delete the content of selected fields in the autocorrector. 

Maybe, but I do think in this case you guys are missing a trick here, the sort fields are very useful, if it was me I would just make sure the sort fields are filled in for every song rather than deleting the information.

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Sailor

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I don't know where this information is very useful. Please explain.

The problem is that this information is missing from Musicbrainz and Discogs most of the times. Many times it's also not according to standard either.

I looked at about 2000 tracks and the efforts to fix it would have been quite substancial, so I decided to delete all of this. I guestimated that to fix this data would have increased the effort by 20%. Especially the compilations increase the effort dramatically.

If some level of automation and intelligence would be available, then this would change the game. Maybe introducing MB artist id specific sort details would be useful. I don't know.
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Sort Artist exists in Musicbrainz for almost all artists so maybe the problem is that these songs are not matching to Musicbrainz

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pfaffy41



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Have had this program for 24 hours and am trying my best to understand it and troubleshoot on my own, however, after a long search I am still struggling to find answers when it comes to handling the Sort Fields.

I want to make it so all of my sorting artists are either following the same naming system Cash, Johnny or Johnny Cash...or I don't want the Sort field to be used at all. If all of my sort fields were blank, when I import the music into iTunes, would it just rely upon the Artist field? (I have 15,000 plus songs, and would like to not have to change them all individually every time I import them in itunes, so I want them to be uniform within their source folders.)

Also, is Never Alter the same as Never Duplicate? (If I want to get rid of all sort fields)
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pfaffy41 wrote:
I want to make it so all of my sorting artists are either following the same naming system Cash, Johnny or Johnny Cash...or I don't want the Sort field to be used at all.
 

When matching songs to MusicBrainz, Jaikoz will always put the same value in the Sort Artist Field because the value is returned from Musicbrainz it is not derived. But songs only matched to Discogs do not get their Sort Artist set because this doesnt contain that information, and of course if the songs are not matched to either MusicBrainz Discogs they wil not get their Sort Artists set. Actually youve raised a good point about Discogs I think I should try to derive this, which I should be able to do especially if we have songs by the same artist matched to Musicbrainz Ive raised http://jthink.net:8081/browse/JAIKOZ-800

In the meantime your choices are:
1. Only Match to Musicbrainz not Discogs
2. Edit the data manully to fill in the songs where the value is missing
3. Empty the columns, then disable matching these fields in Preferences:MusicBrainz:Format

Sort artist fields are useful because otherwise all your bands strating with 'The' are listed under 'T' so I would recommend keeping it.

pfaffy41 wrote:

If all of my sort fields were blank, when I import the music into iTunes, would it just rely upon the Artist field?
 

Yes.

pfaffy41 wrote:

Also, is Never Alter the same as Never Duplicate? (If I want to get rid of all sort fields) 

Never Alter just means never change the value when matching, if you want to empty the column just right click on the column header and select Empty Column.There is no Never Duplicate option so I don't know what you mean by that.

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sofiazoe



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If you are on a mac, run don't walk to Doug's iTunes Scripts. There is one that will copy Artist to Album Artist and it is trivial to change it to copy to Sort Artist instead.............................

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