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newname



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Hey all, curious if someone can answer my questions. I have been playing with the MusicIP and Jaikoz programs to figure out the most accurate way to update thousands of my mp3's. I think that MusicIP first developed the acoustic fingerprinting method. I first ran that program to analyze all my songs. I then saved those PUIDs to each mp3 hoping that Jaikoz would use this data from the database to accurately ID the songs from the MusicBrainz database. Jaikoz is a better program than MusicIP to update tags. However, it seems that Jaikoz recognizes these IDs as "MusicMagic Data" and "MusicMagic Fingerprint" So, I run Jaikoz's own "Retrieve Acoustic IDs" which generates its own MusicIP PUID. All three of these seperate tags are under the column "User Defined Text Info"

1. Is the acoustic analysis the same in both programs? If so, why is the analysis in Jaikoz much quicker than MusicIP? Is MusicIP more accurate since it's slower?

2. What exactly is "MusicMagic Data" and "MusicMagic Fingerprinte"?

3. Why won't Jaikoz just accept the analysis tags from MusicIP?

4 (and last). For all the songs that Jaikoz/MusicBrainz doesn't recognize the songs (PUIDs, tags, etc) and doesn't supply a "Unique File ID", will submitting the info to the server (MusicBrainz/PUID pair) over time get these songs on the database?

Thanks for any assistance and help!
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newname wrote:

1. Is the acoustic analysis the same in both programs? If so, why is the analysis in Jaikoz much quicker than MusicIP? Is MusicIP more accurate since it's slower?
 

MusicIP will add records to the MusicIP if they dont currently exist whereas
Jaikoz only trys to match records that already exist in the database. Creating a new id is much much slower than matching an existing id and there is no possibility of it immediately matching a record in MusicBrainz because it has only just been created which is why Jaikoz does not do this, I will add it as an extra task/option at some point. I dont know if this accounts for all the differences, MusicMixer may do some other analysis that isnt required for identification purposes.

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2. What exactly is "MusicMagic Data" and "MusicMagic Fingerprint"?
 

These are only saved to your file if you are using Music Mixer Premium and select 'Archive Analysis' . They are the data that is generated from the
file and sent to MusicIP, in order for MusicIP to find a track and return a MusicIP Puid -Im not sure of the difference between the two. I dont know why Music IP Mixer doesnt store the Music IP Puid as well, but I am looking into it.

newname wrote:

3. Why won't Jaikoz just accept the analysis tags from MusicIP?
 

Jaikoz needs to get a Puid in order to lookup the track in Musicbrainz but unfortunately this is not stored by Music Ip Mixer.

newname wrote:

4 (and last). For all the songs that Jaikoz/MusicBrainz doesn't recognize the songs (PUIDs, tags, etc) and doesn't supply a "Unique File ID", will submitting the info to the server (MusicBrainz/PUID pair) over time get these songs on the database?
 

Do you mean submitting them from Jaikoz, no tracks can only be submitted to musicbrainz as a uniqueid/puid pair. But records added to MusicIP do overtime get added to MusicBrainz

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Ok, basically MusicIP Puid is not stored by Music IP mixer because it has been added fairly recently and they havent decided how to store it yet. However it is used by Jaikoz to retrieve Puids so that tracks that have already been analysed by Music IP Mixer will get processed quicker than files that have not already been processed by MusicIP Mixer.
More details here:
http://forums.musicip.com/index.php?showtopic=2865

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newname



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How about this....does Jaikoz produce the same PUID that Music IP mixer produces? In other words, does it use the same analyzing process?
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Yes, they will both identify the same tracks in MusicIPs database

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I hate to resurrect old threads from the dead, but I was recently considering playing with MusicIP mixer to make some playlists. However I wanted to know the state of the interactions between Jaikoz and it.

Are the MusicIPs stored in different fields? Jaikoz just ignores their acoustic IP and puts its own in correct?

Since I am using Jaikoz to do tagging, is my use of musicIP mixer going to screw that up?

I know being a different product you may not have played with it much, but I saw you made some posts on their forums so you might know some caveats.

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MagicMixer uses a different field which cannot be used to match a song in Musicbrainz, they have agreed to update it to use the same Puid as Jaikoz instead but this hasn't been done yet, so Jaikoz has to renanlyse the file to get the Puid.

I don't think using Magic Mixer is going to mess anything up, it just will not have any effect.


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