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GrampsAudio

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I mainly upgraded to SongKong Pro in order to take advantage of the promised speed gain. I really wasn't concerned with the BPM parameter at the time, being as I didn't think that I had any real use for it.

However, as it turns out, I decided that I could possibly use the BPM to determine which are my more slow-paced songs. The problem is that the BPM data return rate is rather disappointing. Out of a total of exactly 4,000 audio files, iTunes is only displaying the BPM for 636 songs, or just under 16% of my total collection.

I realize that SongKong can only retrieve available data on the MusicBrainz and Discogs websites; so is that what accounts for such a low return rate on the BPM data?

I am also wondering if the low BPM return rate has anything to do with the fact that a lot of my audio files are Gospel songs, worship music and Contemporary Christian Music. In other words, is it possible that these genre don't always include the BPM data in the audio files?

Again, I would appreciate your feedback regarding these issues.

Thanks!
paultaylor

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Hi, the BPM feature is fairly new SongKong and as you say depends on the BPM being available in MusicBrainz. Actually it depends on the BPM being in MusicBrainz sister project AcousticBrainz which crowds sources BPM from user submitted files, this only started at the start of the year and currently has the bpm calculated for about 1.2M recordings which ties in with your experience - however most broadly popular songs have had their bpm added. There is nothing inherently problematic about the genres of your songs, but yes I guess they are less popular then standard Western Rock/Pop songs, if your collection was mostly this genre then your bpm rate would be significantly higher.

The goods news is that I am planning to add the ability to calculate and submit the bpm for those songs that don't have it directly from SongKongPro, the bad news is I have not done it yet.

More good news is that you can already do this using the dedicated AcoustidClient and the instructions are http://blog.jthink.net/2015/02/now-you-can-easily-add-bpm-to-your.html . The bad news is that is does take a while, this is because it doesn't just calculate the bpm it calculates all kinds of characteristics such as key and moods. The other bad news is this wont actually add the data to your files there and then, instead it will submit the data to AcousticBrainz. Then when the Albunack db is updated you can add this bpm info to your songs with SongKong.

and yes I plan to add data such as keys and moods to your songs as well.

thanks Paul (Administrator)
GrampsAudio

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Realistically speaking, when all is said and done, how much longer should we expect to have to wait before these functions and features are added to SongKong and the associated online databases, so that we don't have to take the more complicated, indirect route in order to display the BPM in our music collections?

It has been about 2.5 months since we had this original discussion, and I can't help but notice that a number of updates have been released for Jaikoz, but none for SongKong.

Thanks in advance.
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I spent some time improving the matching algorithm in Jaikoz, this work was rather more involved then anticipated, but is finished. I'm now working on SongKong again, first of all incorporating the same matching improvements and this is nearly done,

See this list for fixes already done for next release:

https://jthink.atlassian.net/projects/SONGKONG/versions/11901

I'm on holiday next week but expect a SongKong release the following week. Then Ill be working on the implementing the mood data so expect by the end of September.


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GrampsAudio

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Thanks for the update, Paul. Much appreciated.
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Now released new version of SongKong with improved song identification http://www.jthink.net/jaikozforum/posts/list/15055.page

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lajuene



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Paul;
Any news on when SongKong will be able to detect BPM when the songs are not on the database? That all I bought it for so it's of no use to me until that feature is added. Can you suggest other software that does BPM detection well and write it to the tag? I've tried a few and none work well.

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Eric
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Hi, Ive replied to your other post

thanks Paul (Administrator)
 
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