Jaikoz- Discussion Forum

Looks like the latest version fixed it.
Thanks.

OK, here's some weirdness:

I changed my "Match Score" tab so that Artist, Release, and Track Num are all about 33, the rest 0.

I try to match manually:
Artist: Okkervil River (correct)
Album: Down the River of Golden Dreams (correct)
Track Num: 04 (correct)
Title: Track 4 (incorrect)

1) And I get 6 results with scores in the 30s that match the title (unfortunately), track num and time (why time or title?). I cancel.

2) I delete the title, and try again, and get no matches. I cancel.

3) I change the title to "the", try again, and get a 100 score on the correct track. I also get a 67 score on a track 1 from the same album, and it has MusicIP Id checked, which seems wrong to this noob. I select the correct match.

4) I change the title back to Track 4, try again, and it matches 100 again (what changed from 1 that matters?) I cancel.

5) I delete the MB Unique Id, try again, and get the same bad matches from 1. I cancel.

6) I put the MB Unique Id back, try again, and still get the same bad matches from 1. Why didn't I get the same thing as in #4?

(v. 2.5.2 on Kubuntu linux)

sideshow wrote:

OK, here's some weirdness:

I changed my "Match Score" tab so that Artist, Release, and Track Num are all about 33, the rest 0.

I try to match manually:
Artist: Okkervil River (correct)
Album: Down the River of Golden Dreams (correct)
Track Num: 04 (correct)
Title: Track 4 (incorrect)

1) And I get 6 results with scores in the 30s that match the title (unfortunately), track num and time (why time or title?). I cancel.

Ok, when a metadata track query is sent to Musicbrainz it expects there to be a title in the track because if there is no track name the chances of getting a correct match is very low. It does not have to match on the title but if it can all well and good. Changing the scores does not change the query that is sent to Musicbrainz it just changes how jaikoz decides what score Jaikoz will give the matches returned from Musicbrainz.

So Jaikoz will send a query similar to this

Return best 10 matches when title= "Track 4" AND (Album="Down the River of Golden Dreams" OR Artist="Okkervil River" OR trackNUm=04) AND Track Duration is within 5 seconds of Track Duration.

So it probably returns some tracks caled Track 4 which are completely the wrong track, that when Jaikoz scores these matches it getting very low score because only getting a score for the TrackNum match.

2) I delete the title, and try again, and get no matches. I cancel.

Yes if there is no title at all no match is performed because the chnaces of getting a good match are very poor. In these I would hope that you have an acoustic id for the track and thena good match can be got this way instead.

3) I change the title to "the", try again, and get a 100 score on the correct track. I also get a 67 score on a track 1 from the same album, and it has MusicIP Id checked, which seems wrong to this noob. I select the correct match.

Once you put a title in then Jaikoz does perform a query but because the value you have entered of "the" is ignored on Musicbrainz (there is a bug on musicbrainz that it ignores certain common words) the matches it returns arent matching on the track title but on the album/artist/trackno which is why the correct track is getting returned and hence receives a good score when calculated on Jaikoz.

4) I change the title back to Track 4, try again, and it matches 100 again (what changed from 1 that matters?) I cancel.

Is it actually matching or just not overwriting the successful match you got in Step 3. If it is matching it may be because the successful match in Step 3 would cause the details of the release to be downloaded into the local database and allow a local match.

5) I delete the MB Unique Id, try again, and get the same bad matches from 1. I cancel.

6) I put the MB Unique Id back, try again, and still get the same bad matches from 1. Why didn't I get the same thing as in #4?

Im not entirely sure , and I'm not sure if you are always doing manual matches or Automatches but i hope you can understand that matching is complicated, and is not going to work for every corner case. I have to make Jaikoz work as well as it can for the majority of users which does mean that it loses a little bit of transparency in how it works.