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Good morning!
After auto-tagging a large part of my music collection (SongKong did a mostly great job, thanks Paul!), I noticed that some albums were tagged with different genres than other albums of the same artist. In other cases, the songs within one album were tagged with different genres.

E.g., most of AC/DC is tagged "Hard Rock", but the Live albums are tagged as "Arena Rock".

I tried playing around with the genre configuration tab (only genre, only style, or both), but the result was always the same.

My question is:
Can I use SongKong to manually change the genre of all files within a given folder to what I think is the right genre? How would I do that?

Or do I need Jaikoz for this kind of task?

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Stefan
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Hi, there is not an option to say tags all songs by this artist to this genre. But you can say convert all these genres to this genre so within Allowed Genres list if you modified the line:

Code:
 Arena Rock;
 


to

Code:
 Arena Rock;Hard Rock
 


then all your songs that had Arena Rock should be converted to Hard Rock.

But you may need something like Jaikoz for modifications that cant be categorised as easily as this.

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Thanks Paul,
that's what I thought.

So just to be sure:
I've used SongKong to autotag a 300+ Gb music library and am mostly happy with the results concerning artist, album, year, songtitle etc., but not so much with the genre.

So, having my entire music collection in a manually set up genre folder hierarchy, can I tell Jaikoz to take all songs within let's say my folder "Hard Rock" and tag them with one only genre (Hard Rock), no matter what the artist or album? I would like to get that confirmed before I buy Jaikoz.

Thanks again,
Stefan
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...I forgot:
Of course I would want Jaikoz to change ONLY the genre and leave the rest of the metadata as SongKong had already fixed it...
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So, having my entire music collection in a manually set up genre folder hierarchy, can I tell Jaikoz to take all songs within let's say my folder "Hard Rock" and tag them with one only genre (Hard Rock), no matter what the artist or album? I would like to get that confirmed before I buy Jaikoz.
 


Yes, essentially you would just load the Hard Rocxk folder , then select the Genre fields and then Set Value to set them all to the same value.

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Thanks Paul, just got myself a copy of Jaikoz and will see how I go.

One last question concerning SongKong's handling of genre and style:

When choosing "Discogs Style and Genre" in the genre tab, which one does SongKong give preference over the other? I mean, when it gets the data from the web, does it put a style or a genre value as the first (main) value? Or in which order does the software fill the style and genre values in?

Cheers and thanks again,
Stefan
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Hi Genres,Styles comes from the matched Discogs release nowhere else. The order they are added is dictated by the order of the Allowed Genre list on the SongKong genres tab. So the first genre/style found in the list is the first one added, The genre list can be directly edited within Songkong.

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Thanks, all clear now. Have a great day!
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Hello experts - I try to reactivate an old thread...

I have a similar problem with the field: "genre"
I have complete albums where the genre fields are empty.
My expectation of SongKong (full version) is that these fields
filled according to the requested databases.
Unfortunately there is no entry - the field "Genre" remains empty!?!
If I fill the field "genre" manually (with mp3tag) with any value,
this remains untouched - even if nonsense is in it ...

What is the right way to update the genres?

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1. Its need to match to a Disocgs release to add Genres (Musicbrainz does not have Genres)
2. Is Update Genres enable don the first tab, by default it is disabled because genres are subjective.
3. What options are set on the Genres tab, by default it wont overwrite existing values

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...thank you for the fast answer!

Apparently, I understand something wrong - no matter which setting I combine, the field
"Genre" remains untouched ...

My last settings:
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Tab Grundlegende -> Genres aktualisieren "ja"

Tab Zuordnung -> Update von Discogs "ja"
-> Suche nach ├ťbereinstimmung in Discogs "ja"

Tab Genre: -> Genre = "Werte immer ersetzen"
-> von = "Discogs Genre und Stil"
-> max Anzahl = "1"

What must be in the field "erlaubte Genres"?
This field is empty?


Btw. Is there a smart solution if I do not want to embed a cover in the song file?
My workaround - by setting the value for "Ignoriere Coverbilder, die kleiner sind als (Pixel)"
to "10000" ...

Thanks again for the support!

greetings
highresi
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highresi wrote:
...thank you for the fast answer!
 

Apparently, I understand something wrong - no matter which setting I combine, the field
"Genre" remains untouched ...

Is Condition 1 true, how many files have you tried against ?
It would be clearer for me if you send your support files (Help:Create Support Files)

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...ok - I generated the support file. It was apparently sent automatically.
I'm experimenting with three different albums right now.

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I just looked at Report 71, and for the Roxette album the genre has been added.

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... when I look at the metadata of the Roxette album with mp3tag, the genre is "rap" ...
This has been entered by myself and is "nonsense" - expected there is a correction of SongKong in the direction of "pop" or similar ...

I can not find a combination of settings that edit the field "Genre"...
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I'm just trying to sort out the problem with the example of the Roxette album.

I looked directly at Discogs - with the number found by SongKong and also documented in Report 71.
Here is output for genre "pop".

If I edit the album with an empty genre field from SongKong, the field also remains empty.
If I enter something random and wrong manually in the genre field, this remains untouched.

My wish is that SongKong fills / overwrites the genre field with the value from the Discogs database.

Did I misunderstand the function of SongKong on this point?
Do I operate SongKong incorrectly in this area?
Do I possibly need Jaikoz for this?

All other fields are perfectly edited by SongKong - that's why I do not understand ...

Sorry, for my bad English and the trouble I cause. But the genre field is extremely helpful for a collection> 10,000.

Thanks and Greetings
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... possibly the entry in the field:
Genres -> allowed genres
is the secret.

So completely I did not understand the possible effect on the processing.
What I found in the forum causes rather a "knot in the head"
Maybe I just can not translate / interpret it correctly ...
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It is true the Genre must be in that list to be added, this is to prevent bad genres being added. Im sorry I will look into this in more detail when I can but I have to finish some other work first.

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no problem, important things always first - I am waiting and I am glad that you help me with my problem.

Many thanks & greetings
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Well I have just double checked that adding genres still works and it still does so it does seem something particular to your environment. Unfortunately for you I am away on a camping holiday with limited Internet for 5 days from tomorrow so I don't think this will be resolved until after then unless I have a brainwave.

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Thanks again for your effort.

Wish a nice holiday with many beautiful impressions and without thoughts of "programs".

At the moment I don't enjoy thinking about this problem here. Because I have in my flat about 30┬░C and the thinking is there really slow. . .

Maybe in a week, we can make a fresh start.

Only that much - with the Roxette album, I found a setting that handles the genre field:
For this purpose I have entered "Pop" in the field Genres -> allowed genres. Now the field is replaced with the value, which is also stored in the Discogs database for this album. Just as I expected.

Is it true that the genre, which is entered in the Discogs database for any album must also be entered in the Genres -> allowed genres field exactly like this?
How do I achieve it, that different spellings - example: classique, classical, etc. are replaced in the entry "Klassik".

Still nothing happens with the other example album by (Anne Sophie von Otter). If I check the SK-Report, it looks as if there is one equivalent only at MusicBrainz. Does this mean that then nothing is filled in / replaced?

Is there another option for this?

An answer after your vacation is absolutely sufficient!

Nice holiday and greetings!
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highresi wrote:

Only that much - with the Roxette album, I found a setting that handles the genre field:
For this purpose I have entered "Pop" in the field Genres -> allowed genres. Now the field is replaced with the value, which is also stored in the Discogs database for this album. Just as I expected.
 

It is correct that Pop needs to be in the list of allowable genres, but it should already be there near the end, it is not under 'P' to allow more specific Pop genres to be matched first.

highresi wrote:

Is it true that the genre, which is entered in the Discogs database for any album must also be entered in the Genres -> allowed genres field exactly like this?
How do I achieve it, that different spellings - example: classique, classical, etc. are replaced in the entry "Klassik".
 

Yes, this is to protect against nonsense genres, and to match multiple genres to one genre you do as follows:

Code:
 Classique;Klassik;
 Classical;Klassik;
 


highresi wrote:

Still nothing happens with the other example album by (Anne Sophie von Otter). If I check the SK-Report, it looks as if there is one equivalent only at MusicBrainz. Does this mean that then nothing is filled in / replaced?
 

Yes, because Muiscbrainz doesn't support Genres, it foes have folksonomy tags but currently they are a complete mess and of little help for genre classidfication.

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Thank you for the clarification.
Unfortunately I haven't yet understood what the position / order of genres within the list "allowed genres field" is important for. What and how can I "control" with it?

If it is cooler again I will probably have to experiment a little bit. . .

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highresi wrote:
Thank you for the clarification.
Unfortunately I haven't yet understood what the position / order of genres within the list "allowed genres field" is important for. What and how can I "control" with it? 

Okay so if Discogs has three genres associated with an album and you have Jaikoz configured to just use one (the default) then it will use the one that comes first in the genre list.

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Using the example of (Anne Sophie von Otter)
What is the correct syntax in the "allowed genres field" if:
the album is not at Discogs
the genre field is "Classique"
But I want to have only the genre "Klassik"

So it should be exchanged the existing entry Classique into Klassik ...

Classique;Klassik;
Classical;Klassik;
doesn't work

There was another question:
As an example - the album . . . But Seriously by Phil Collins
is found by Songkong in Discogs and MusicBrainz.

However, in two different versions - it can only be ONE right? ?!?

Which one of them is right now and after which SK decides which entry is transferred to the tags? ?


Thanks again for your patience
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highresi wrote:
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Using the example of (Anne Sophie von Otter)
What is the correct syntax in the "allowed genres field" if:
the album is not at Discogs
 

If its not in Discogs then SongKong will leave the existing genre alone. The genre list is only applied when adding genres/styles from Discogs.

highresi wrote:

As an example - the album . . . But Seriously by Phil Collins
is found by Songkong in Discogs and MusicBrainz.
However, in two different versions - it can only be ONE right? ?!?
Which one of them is right now and after which SK decides which entry is transferred to the tags? ?
 

You mean the Discogs version represents a different version to the MusicBrainz one, in what way ? - if you could send your support files I can see more clearly.

Well most releases are released in many different versions in different countries, when we match to a MusicBrainz match we use the linked the Disocgs match if there is one, but if there is not we do an independent search for a Disocgs one.

The Discogs one should not different in key areas such as the track listing, but there may be small differences in some details that dont really matter for tagging such as Country of release or date of release. After all if the same release is released in two countries there is no way for SongKong to actually know which version you have, but it woudl score releases form your preferred country list higher.

But having matched from MusicBrainz, a Disocgs match only adds additional data (such as missing Catalogue no) to your metadata , it doesnt overwrite metadata. So SongKong writes Musicbrainz Data + Discogs data that does n't conflict with MusicBrainz data.


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Is it possible to replace the genre with Jaikoz?
As I imagine it from the example of (Anne Sophie von Otter)


For Phil Collins I have created a "support file".
The two search results differ in the source.

The tracklist is indeed identical.
I just wondered, because I thought that every
Album by the "fingerprint" is unique

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highresi wrote:
Is it possible to replace the genre with Jaikoz?
As I imagine it from the example of (Anne Sophie von Otter)
 

Yes you can do either autamated or manual editing.


I just wondered, because I thought that every
Album by the "fingerprint" is unique
Thanks und greetings
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Fingerprints are at recording level, so different versions of the same recording will have different fingerprints but the same version will have same fingerprint. If yo think about it the logic is slightly fuzzy anyway since if you rip a CD to Mp3 and Wav the audio is not going to be identical but you want both to have the same AcoustId.

In your case there is no link from MusicBrainz to Discogs so the Discogs match has been found independently. You can disable independent Discogs by disabling Search for a Discogs Match on the Match tab.

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Am I getting this right?
Jaikoz is able to automatically add / replace a genre from sources other than discogs. (in case discogs has no entry).

In addition, Jaikoz can automatically replace entries like "classique" to "klassik".

Would this already work in the trial version?

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highresi wrote:
Am I getting this right?
Jaikoz is able to automatically add / replace a genre from sources other than discogs. (in case discogs has no entry).
 

It can also get the from MusicBrainz, but since SongKong is more automated and MusicBrainz Genres/Tags are generally poor we didnt add support for MusicBrainz Genres to SongKong.

highresi wrote:

In addition, Jaikoz can automatically replace entries like "classique" to "klassik".
 

Not within Genres, as Jaikoz only has blacklist rather than grey list.

But it does Find/Replace functionality that can be used to do this.
 

highresi wrote:

Would this already work in the trial version?
 

Yes trial is fully operational except there is just a limit of 20 actual file saves.

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