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bbutera

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I've read the blog post
http://blog.jthink.net/2014/03/how-do-itunes-options-affect-songkong.html

and I'm still a little confused.

I'll explain my situation-
I keep my downloaded music in a large, separate folder until I'm ready to listen to it, at which point I play it in iTunes and iTunes makes a copy in its media folder. Once that music is in the library folder, I delete the downloaded version. Nice and tidy.

I understand that you essentially must choose between iTunes metadata and SongKong's/Jaikoz's, but I'd like my music all in one location and I'm fine with it being iTunes' media folder.

What's the solution so I don't run into any problems? Do I need to manually add my downloaded music to the media folder when I first listen to it?
Should I bite the bullet and add all my downloaded music (there's a lot) in one go, let iTunes index it, and then let SongKong take over?

I have lots of multiple versions of songs, but duplicates (in different locations) drive me nuts.

I appreciate an insight.
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You don't have to choose between iTunes and SongKong metadata, the issue is with filenames, you need to choose between iTunes renaming.managing files or not. If you are happy with eveeything being under iTunes control then just ensure:

1. You don't have SongKong configured to rename files
2. When fixing songs already under iTunes control point SongKong towards iTunes media folder.
3. For songs not yet put into iTunes you can point SongKong to the original location, but if identified then they should be automatically copied to iTunes media folder.

Probably best to try it out.

thanks Paul (Administrator)
bbutera

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Thank you.

I tried the demo and simply pointed SongKong to my iTunes folder. It wouldn't let me get anymore specific than that. It ran on my entire library.

Once SongKong edits metadata, it adds the songs to the iTunes media library automatically?



paultaylor wrote:
You don't have to choose between iTunes and SongKong metadata, the issue is with filenames, you need to choose between iTunes renaming.managing files or not. If you are happy with eveeything being under iTunes control then just ensure:

1. You don't have SongKong configured to rename files
2. When fixing songs already under iTunes control point SongKong towards iTunes media folder.
3. For songs not yet put into iTunes you can point SongKong to the original location, but if identified then they should be automatically copied to iTunes media folder.

Probably best to try it out. 


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bbutera wrote:

Once SongKong edits metadata, it adds the songs to the iTunes media library automatically?
 

Yes as long as you have the Save changes to iTunes enabled on the basic tab, but clearly it has no effect on trial as the songs are not being modified.

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bbutera

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Hey Paul

I hope all is well.

I had to take along break from my organizing for a bunch of big projects.

Back to it!

I've had some time to reread our chat and play around a bit with SongKong.

There's a one or two pieces I'm still not understanding.

If I set SongKong to work on my current itunes library, when it makes corrections, does it create a whole new file (song)? Or it edits the existing file and that's that?

I used a small folder of songs from the same artist as a test, and found that SongKong mislabeled one.
I'm guessing Jaikoz is the better choice for a situation like this- I can just fix that one error and move on. Yes?

Also, with Jaikoz, do I have to click all three buttons (Retrieve acoustic id, autocorrect metadata from musicbrainz, and autocorrect metadeta from discogs) to ensure the most accurate info?

I'm guessing the submit button is for artists wanting to put their music on the database.

What are the update metadata buttons for?


**I'm so sorry for all the questions- I've read through all your guide material and just don't understand some things.

For the music I haven't pulled into my library yet, I think you made a great suggestion- have SongKong go through it, make any changes, and then set it to automatically import to itunes.
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bbutera wrote:

If I set SongKong to work on my current itunes library, when it makes corrections, does it create a whole new file (song)? Or it edits the existing file and that's that?
 

Its edit the existing file

bbutera wrote:

I used a small folder of songs from the same artist as a test, and found that SongKong mislabeled one.
I'm guessing Jaikoz is the better choice for a situation like this- I can just fix that one error and move on. Yes?
 

Yes thats right

bbutera wrote:

Also, with Jaikoz, do I have to click all three buttons (Retrieve acoustic id, autocorrect metadata from musicbrainz, and autocorrect metadeta from discogs) to ensure the most accurate info?
 

No, you can use Action:Auto Correct, that is configured with a set of tasks including the three you have listed. You can modify the list in Preferences:Manipulators:Autocorrecter

bbutera wrote:

I'm guessing the submit button is for artists wanting to put their music on the database.
 

Submit new release is also for users to submit albums they have that aren't currently in the MusicBrainz database

bbutera wrote:

What are the update metadata buttons for?
 

So usually first songs are matched to a release/album then metadata is updated with information from the match. The Update tasks don't rematch but they update your songs with metadata for the match in case new data has been added to the database since you originally

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bbutera

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Thanks very much the reply.

Retrieve Acoustic ID isn't in the autocorrector by default.

After local spelling fixes, etc., wouldn't that be the most important identifier?


Also, when autocorrect is finished and there's been an obvious mismatch, I can go about fixing the songs on my own, sure, but how can I submit proper info?

That's what the Submit Correct Metadata is for, no?
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bbutera wrote:
Thanks very much the reply.
Retrieve Acoustic ID isn't in the autocorrector by default.
After local spelling fixes, etc., wouldn't that be the most important identifier?
 

Ah yes, it used to be but this meant that all the songs had to be ided before any matching took place, but now the acoustids are retrieved by Correct Metadata from MusicBrainz as needed.


bbutera wrote:

Also, when autocorrect is finished and there's been an obvious mismatch, I can go about fixing the songs on my own, sure, but how can I submit proper info?
That's what the Submit Correct Metadata is for, no? 

There is no Submit Correct Metadata task, you can add new releases and you can link Acoustid, MusicBrainz ids pairs but if there are incorrect links between a MusicBrainz recording Id and an Acoustid you can remove that link via the the Acoustid tab of the song on MusicBrainz, but that is a bit out of scope here.

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out of scope, yes.
i have no desire to mess with those databases!

so if musicbrainz and discogs can ID songs from looking at the file, what's the point of acoustic ID? especially when songs sound alike and ID errors can happen?

i really do appreciate your time.
is there a flat buy option? or can i donate an extra amount
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bbutera wrote:
out of scope, yes.
so if musicbrainz and discogs can ID songs from looking at the file, what's the point of acoustic ID? especially when songs sound alike and ID errors can happen?
 

No only acoustid can fingerprint those songs, and then acoustid maps the songs to MusicBrainz songs, there is no seperate MusicBrainz fingerprinter.

Acoustid also stores the metadata found when songs are submitted to it this allows an indirect match to Discogs.

bbutera wrote:

i really do appreciate your time.
is there a flat buy option? or can i donate an extra amount 

Thankyou, if you like you can donate to my opensrc tagging library at http://www.jthink.net/jaudiotagger/donate.jsp

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so if the acoustic ID is wrong (actually have had that happen in other tools), and the music gets rewritten, do I have a chance to restore that is both SONGKONG and in ITUNES without problems?
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offroad wrote:
so if the acoustic ID is wrong (actually have had that happen in other tools), and the music gets rewritten, do I have a chance to restore that is both SONGKONG and in ITUNES without problems?  

Hi, I dont quite understand what yo are asking, but SongKong persists all changes to an internal database allowing changes to be reverted with the Undo task if that is what you mean.

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paultaylor wrote:

offroad wrote:
so if the acoustic ID is wrong (actually have had that happen in other tools), and the music gets rewritten, do I have a chance to restore that is both SONGKONG and in ITUNES without problems?  

Hi, I dont quite understand what yo are asking, but SongKong persists all changes to an internal database allowing changes to be reverted with the Undo task if that is what you mean. 


Yes paul that is what I mean. thanks for answering.
 
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