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Help, is it possible to use root Artist as "ALBUMARTIST" & "ALBUMARTISTSORT"???  XML
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RandomNinjaAtk



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I haven't been using this program long, but so far I really like it. One of my gripes that I cannot seem to tackle is multiple artists or featured artists in the ALBUMARTIST & ALBUMARTISTSORT tag.

Basically what I would like is to keep the multiple/featured artists in the main artist tag because Plex and other apps can easily read those but will group them based on the albumartist/albumartistsort tag information.

The problem is with the current setup is that it adds that information to the ALBUMARTISTS/ABLUMARTISTSORT tags which then creates tons of extra main Artists that may only contain a single album or song.

So currently what I have to do is go back and manually change those tags to the root artist to get the desired effect. Which adds a lot of extra work on my part

It doesn't look like this program has the capability to handle what I'm looking for, unless I'm looking in the wrong place. Does anyone have any guidance? Or maybe this could be a feature request...




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H, if you have an album credit to more than one person as the main artist (not talking track artist here) then the full artist credit is stored as the ALBUMARTIST and each artist added as a an individual artist to the ALBUMARTISTS field

e.g
ALBUMARTIST= Johnny Cash & June Carter
ALBUMARTISTS=Johnny Cash
ALBUMARTISTS=June Carter

Featured artists are usually track related and not added to albumartist fields.

Im not quite clear what you want. do you want
ALBUMARTIST=Johnny Cash
ALBUMARTIST=June Carter

Or are you saying there should only ever be one album artist and just want
ALBUMARTIST=Johnny Cash

Or is it something else ?

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Thanks for the response "paultaylor", but that's not quite what I'm looking for. I hope this explains it better:

So in the application you have a format option that says

"Only use main artist in the artist field and discard other artists"

I'm looking for the opposite of that as in:

"Only use main artist in the albumartist & albumartistsort field and discard other artists"


So basically it would look like this:

ARTIST= JAY-Z & Linkin Park
ALBUMARTIST= JAY-Z
ALBUMARTISTSORT= JAY-Z

Or

ARTIST= Steve Aoki feat. Linkin Park
ALBUMARTIST= Steve Aoki
ALBUMARTISTSORT= Steve Aoki



This would allow the songs/albums to be grouped by the main/root artist which is how I prefer it in applications like Plex.

Does that explain what I'm looking for better? I am somewhat able to solve this using MP3Tag, but I'd rather not have to take the extra steps...
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Usually this doesn't happen anyway because only the main artist is added to the ALBUMARTIST field.

But if I look at the MusicBrainz discography for Steve Aoki https://musicbrainz.org/artist/a39acc4a-985e-4173-a9ed-f325f2d3bc1c
I can see that whilst albums do have him as the album artist for singles there are many collabaritive cases

So perhaps I should simply extend "Only use main artist in the artist field and discard other artists" to album artists", perhaps "Only use main artist in the (album) artist field and discard other artists" to album artists , or perhaps I need another option ?

Im afraid there is not a way to fix this currently within SongKong

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I would prefer the second option


"Only use main artist in the (album) artist field and discard other artists"

Because apps like Plex and Airsonic (Subsonic) will display all the main artist detail during playback but sort albums based on albumartist and albumartistsort. I like having the detail of all the artists during playback, I just don't like that it breaks up the library into lots of extra artists because they arn't grouped together under the main artist.

I could build a few visual differences in Plex as an example if you'd like.
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ok - https://jthink.atlassian.net/browse/SONGKONG-1355 yes thanks screenshots would be useful.

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I have uploaded two pictures comparing how it changes the file structure and how its presented in Plex as an example.
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Thanks I get it, I think the issue is because I don't listen to this kind of music I don't see this issue in my own music collection. And on occasions where there are people equally credited (i.e Johnny Cash & June Carter) then I want to see their albums grouped seperately to solo Johny Cash or solo June Carter albums.

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I really like having everything with proper metadata for artist and album with artwork. And the problem in the current setup is that it produces so many mixed artists that it's impossible to match up with last.fm or other databases to pull the information properly. And it also causes lots of extra artists with single albums in them.

So right now I manually resolve it by editing the ALBUMARTIST and ALBUMARTISTSORT tag.

There are few artists that will work with last.fm as a dual artist setup. For example: Jay-Z and Linkin Park is one of them (https://www.last.fm/music/Jay-Z+and+Linkin+Park)

But most of them don't, which then it looks like garbage in Plex and other tools that try to pull artist information.

Maybe if there was a way for SongKong to match the albumartist information with Last.fm, that would likely resolve the issue. But I realize that is much more complicated then adjusting the albumartist and albumartistsort tags with the main artist. Because you already have the option to do that for the main artist tag in the program, just needs to be modified for the other tags.
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RandomNinjaAtk wrote:
I really like having everything with proper metadata for artist and album with artwork. And the problem in the current setup is that it produces so many mixed artists that it's impossible to match up with last.fm or other databases to pull the information properly. And it also causes lots of extra artists with single albums in them.
 

The metadata added from MusicBrainz is perfectly correct. Those singles by Steve Aoki really are Steve Aoki ft someone else. But it doesnt work with what you want to do because you are not interested in the featured artists, thats fine and I will add the option as discussed so the featured albums artist are not added.

Mapping to Last.fm is of no help because the data is not wrong it just isn't what you want.

The other thing you could possibly do is use the ALBUMARTISTS field instead of the ALBUMARTIST field because this store the album artists separately. So then for each of these albums you would have a value Steve Aoki allowing you to see all his albums, then Linkin Park would show both their own albums and other albums they are featured on such as the Steve Aoki one.

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paultaylor wrote:

The other thing you could possibly do is use the ALBUMARTISTS field instead of the ALBUMARTIST field because this store the album artists separately. So then for each of these albums you would have a value Steve Aoki allowing you to see all his albums, then Linkin Park would show both their own albums and other albums they are featured on such as the Steve Aoki one. 


This would be ideal, but sadly I don't think any of the media players that I mainly use (Plex or Airsonic (Subsonic)) are able to use the information that way to organize and display it properly. Most Media Player applications only utilize a subset of all the tags that are populated by SongKong... It's not really a fault of the SongKong application but a problem with limitations on the end player which then causes me to compensate for that...

Just wondering if there are any recommendations for media players that support all the tags?

I have so many different platforms and places to play the content that I want a consistent experience which is why I use Plex and Airsonic...
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RandomNinjaAtk wrote:

Just wondering if there are any recommendations for media players that support all the tags?
 

Do you know about UPnP, minimserver is very much configurable

http://blog.jthink.net/2017/03/introduction-to-upnp-av-for-streaming.html

although I'm not sure it would help with this issue since it expects the albumartist to be a single value not a multiple value

http://forum.minimserver.com/showthread.php?tid=4093

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We have now added support for the when album artists contained featured artists option to the latest version of SongKong - http://blog.jthink.net/2017/11/songkong-413-high-definition-release.html

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