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rendez2k

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Hi all, I run SK and a large and very messy collection of tracks last night and three immediate questions / issues arose!

1. HTML shows a ton of these: Apr 26, 2018 10:12:50 PM:Unknown Error
What are they? Broken tracks?

2. I set SK to copy the tracks to a new folder, which it did. But the messy folder structure remained the same! I had unticked 'rename file part only' but that didn't seem to work!

3. A lot of albums still remain in the old folder... I guess these are just unmatched?

Thanks!
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rendez2k wrote:
Hi all, I run SK and a large and very messy collection of tracks last night and three immediate questions / issues arose!

1. HTML shows a ton of these: Apr 26, 2018 10:12:50 PM:Unknown Error
What are they? Broken tracks?
 

Is this with SongKong 5.2 or SongKong 5.3, its a regression that I thought was fixed in 5.3 but maybe still an issue with 5.3

rendez2k wrote:

2. I set SK to copy the tracks to a new folder, which it did. But the messy folder structure remained the same! I had unticked 'rename file part only' but that didn't seem to work!
 

Did you have Rename Filename from Metadata configured on the first tab, by default it is set to No.

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3. A lot of albums still remain in the old folder... I guess these are just unmatched?
 

Correct, its worth noting that SongKong may have matched the song, but unless it could match the whole group to an album then Move Folder will not move them.

It is worth running again, as usually SongKong can find a few more full albums matches using the extra metadata added first time round for song only matches

thanks Paul (Administrator)
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Thanks! Was running 5.2 so let me upgrade and re-run
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OK! After 5.3 upgrade, things went a lot smoother (also upgraded to Pro!).

I still have around 600 unmatched tracks. I suspect its because some of them are say vinyl rips. Whats the best way of sorting those out? I assume this is where Jaikoz needs to come (which I also own!)
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Did it manage a Song Only Match for most of the 600, if so you could

- Use the new Edit Songs task or Jaikoz to improve the metadata, then rerun

- Or Uncheck (at your own risk) Only allow match if all Songs in Grouping Match to One Album, that would allow SongKong to associate the song with an album, but it may not be your preferred album.

- Run Help:Create Support Files this will send me your logs and last few reports, and I will be able to give more insight if I can see these.

But of course if the albums don't actually exist in the MusicBrainz/Discogs databases then no automatic match is possible.

thanks Paul (Administrator)
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Thanks! As a first step I've just emailed you the log files!

When I get a bit of time later, I'll check out some of the other options you've suggested. Thanks
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I had a quick look, there are

5300 fully matched
600 unmatched
400 song only
300 acoustid only

So if you disable Only allow match if all Songs in Grouping Match to One Album that should convert song only to album matched, but some may be wrong album so maybe the best thing would to be run in preview mode first and check the results

I looked at one of the first artists that was unmatched/acoustid only and this was Autechre, and the album was on MusicBrainz (e.g https://musicbrainz.org/release/7d64a467-1c94-4366-a8ad-526918133f08 ). Not sure why it did not match but if you used Jaikoz and Match to Specified Release for some of these releases this should give you some more matches.

thanks Paul (Administrator)
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Strange: just loaded the first Autechre album into Jaikoz and tried to match it to the release on Discogs but it fails?

Very odd, will investigate further....
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Try MusicBrainz.

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OK, super confused now! I tried that in Jaikoz and manged to get it to match the release and hit save.... Again, SK failed to match.

I then thought I'd try MP3Tag and again, very easily matched to Discogs. Updated the tags.... SK failed to match! Its not the end of the world but just odd?
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rendez2k wrote:
OK, super confused now! I tried that in Jaikoz and manged to get it to match the release and hit save.... Again, SK failed to match.
 

SongKong doesnt have a match to specific release function, if you specify a release in Jaikoz to match to then that allows Jaikzo to match those tracks to a release using less stringent requirements then when if has to guess a match.

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OK but once matched in Jaikoz, shouldn't it allow SK to match as presumably any problems with say the tags, would have been fixed?

Thats what I was working on, so that SK would go ahead and rename and move all the files once the info was fixed in Jaikoz
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Yes if already matched and has the MusicBrainz info then yes that should allow SongKong to move the files. Could you just load that folder, try again and then send me support files so I can take another look.

thanks Paul (Administrator)
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Done!
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Okay I have found the problem

Both Jaikoz and SongKong don't use MusicBrainz/Discogs directly. Instead they use Albunack, this is designed just for SongKong/Jaikoz music tagging and is therefore much faster and more reliable then using MusicBrainz/Discogs themselves. The disadvantage is that it is only updated (actually has to be rebuilt) once a month so therefore doesnt contain the latest data, and therefore doesn't include that Autechre album as that was only added on the 9th April.

So how did Jaikoz match it then ?

When you give Jaikoz a MusicBrainz Release Id to match to if it cannot find it then it will fall back to looking it up in the live MusicBrainz database, that is why it could match it.

But SongKong doesnt have this feature, when processed with SongKong it tried to look up the existing release id but failed, for all SongKong knew it could be an invalid MusicBrainz Id, therefore it doesnt mark it as matched to MusicBrainz and therefore doesnt move the folder.

Ideally I should add the MusicBrainz live lookup to SongKong to avoid this issue.

thanks Paul (Administrator)
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That all makes sense then and thank you for spending the time checking it out. I look forward to any updates in this area
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And a simpler fix maybe just to accept (as long as it is in the right format) that if a release has a MusicBrainzReleaseId then it has been matched to a MusicBrainz release even if SongKong cannot find the release.

Also worth noting you can check the Albunack database yourself by looking up by Album Artist

i.e. here is Autechre's discography

http://artist.albunack.net/410c9baf-5469-44f6-9852-826524b80c61.html

thanks Paul (Administrator)
 
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