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Jaikoz creates a fingerprint on the file then looks to see if the fingerprint exists in the MusicIP database, if it does then the puid is retrieved and stored in the file, it can then be used to try and look up musicbrainz data for that puid (although Musicbrainz may not have the puid in the database.

There are three main reasons why a puid is not assigned to a file.
1. The puid does not exist in the MusicIP Database, Jaikoz doesn't currently submit new tracks that dont exist ion the MusicIP database, but this should be an option in the next version.
2. The track is too short or the audio is too poor quality to correctly identify the Puid.
3. Operatng system differences, puid identification is currently slightly better on Windows and OSX than it is on Linux, so some files may not match on Linux but would match on a Windows system. This situation is being improved by MusicIP.

paultaylor wrote:

There are three main reasons why a puid is not assigned to a file.
1. The puid does not exist in the MusicIP Database, Jaikoz doesn't currently submit new tracks that dont exist ion the MusicIP database, but this should be an option in the next version.

Thanks for explaining that (or re-explaining as the case may be). I was wondering why certain songs I couldn't get a fingerprint generated. I thought it was all local where generation was concerned.

I still get this error for every file with 2.4.1 under Linux (Gentoo), but not under Mac OSX. Here are the log files.

Regards,
Jochen

You only tested against 12 files, not a very exhaustive test.

Does your linux installtion support 32bit and 64 bit because the 32 bit libraries are required for the fingerprinting to work.

May 25, 2008 2:58:07 PM: INFO: Retrieved 0 acoustic ids successfully
May 25, 2008 2:58:07 PM: INFO: Unable to find a match for 4,011 tags
May 25, 2008 2:58:07 PM: INFO: Completed retrieval of Acoustic Ids for 4,118 files

Most of these files are processed correctly under MacOSX. Also, my Linux is 32bit only.

Regards,
Jochen

Can you email me a file that works on Mac but not on Linux so I can investigate further.

Hi, I am also having problems with

In the concole i get the following error for a variety of tracks:

Nov 8, 2008 8:15:00 PM: WARNING: Unable to retrieve an acoustic id for song 36 fileG:\My Music\Chumbawamba-Amnesia.mp3, because this track cannot be analysed
Nov 8, 2008 8:15:00 PM: INFO: Retrieved 0 acoustic ids successfully
Nov 8, 2008 8:15:00 PM: INFO: Unable to find a match for 1 tags
Nov 8, 2008 8:15:00 PM: INFO: Completed retrieval of Acoustic Ids for 1 files

Its a pretty good quality file, fairly popular, a few minutes long, and i am using a a bought copy of Jaikoz for windows. Any thoughts on how i could fix this? (it is also happening for other similar files).

Thanks in advance,

-Gaiko

Some tracks cannot be analysed because of bugs in Genpuid provided by MusicIP . I do not develop this software but you can either send me the file and I will pass it on or send it direct to support at musicip dot com and they should be able to find what the problem is.

Hi,

I'm refreshing this ...

I use Jaikoz 3.5 installed on Windows XP, my flac files are located on D-link NAS DNS-323 controlled by Linux.

For every file i receive a message "unable to retrieve an acoustic id for song, because this track cannot be analyzed"

Could you guys help me ?

Many thanks

dartman wrote:

Hi,

I'm refreshing this ...

I use Jaikoz 3.5 installed on Windows XP, my flac files are located on D-link NAS DNS-323 controlled by Linux.

For every file i receive a message "unable to retrieve an acoustic id for song, because this track cannot be analyzed"

Could you guys help me ?

Many thanks

My first guess : permissions problem.

Have you moved one of the files in question to you machine and attempted the same process? If so, did it fail or work?

I thought about it. I set permission scheme to 777 on NAS, I have mapped this resource in my Windows environment. I can change file names, etc...

I tested MusicBrainz and it worked properly, tagged artwork to flac files ie.

So why Jaikoz doesn't work?

Please try as suggested and copy to local drive to see if that makes any difference.

Everything works well when I copied file to my local drive.

So its a permissions problem then, perhaps you need to connect as a specific user on your nas.

One reason why it might work with Picard but Not Jaikoz is that Jaikoz generally
writes changes to a new file, then only when that has been checked is the old file deleted and the new file renamed to the old file. Whereas I think Picard might just modify the existing file which is more dangerous.

So Jaikoz requires permissions to create files in the parent folder whereas Picard doesn't, please check that.

Currently evaluating Jaikoz ...

What is the best sequence of actions to cleanup/scrub a large music collection?

After years of efforts doing manual, mass tagging from file/folder names and more recently learning about AmpliFIND/MusicBrainz signatures ... I decided to proceed as follows:

1) Use MusicIP Mixer to deep analyse every track and possibly fetch and update tracks with AmpliFIND PUID. I am assuming the the PUIDs fetched will be saved in the tracks after lookup.
2) Identify & Eliminate duplicates using MusicIP Mixer
3) Use Jaikoz to do a mass lookup & update tracks with MusicBrainz IDs based on AmpliFIND PUIDs. Also, perform other tag/file/folder adjustments as needed since Jaikoz seems to have a lot of flexibility with this.
4) Use a TuneUP iTunes companion (on Mac/Windows) OR Banshee/SongBird (Linux) to lookup and associate CoverArt with Albums. TuneUP actually gives multiple choices of artwork per track which are retrieved from various sources on the internet (Amazon, Google images, etc).

Is the above a sensible approach ? Also, can Jaikoz on Linux (Mandriva 2010.0 AMD x86_64 with Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM build 1.6.0_16-b01) perform STEP (1) instead of me having to do the deep track analysis using MusicIP Mixer on Windows?

Yes, Jaikoz can do the analysis for you, and the Puids are saved automatically. Furthermore Jaikoz can also eliminate duplicates based on Music IP id, Musicbrainz Id or both.

But MusicIP Mixer does not save PUIDs to the file it uses an older system which canot be detected by Jaikoz so using MusicIP Mixer beforehand is a waste of time from the point of view of Jaikoz,.

When performing the Action->Retrieve Acoustic IDs in Jaikoz ... it rather goes very very fast (as seen in the console) compared to MusicIP Mixer which takes a few seconds (3-4) before populating the PUID fields. Do I need to purchase and install the Full license before my copy of Jaikoz can truly generate & use the PUIDs?

Also, once the deep analysis (PUID lookup) was complete, I can select all tracks, right click and "Archive Analysis (modifies file)", which saves the PUID data.

There is also a "Fix tags" option in MusicIP Mixer which seems to use the MusicIP database or is it using MusicBrainz behind the scenes.

What bothers me is, that once archived the analysis (saved PUIDs) in the mp3s and reopened those in Jaikoz, Jaikoz doesn't show some as having the PUIDs! This happens only for a subset (1000s though). I also confirmed in MusicIP Mixer by re-reading the songs from disk, that they retained their PUIDs.

MusicIP Mixer doesn't collect the PUID !! nor saves it
It only collects and saves the "MusicMagic Data" and "MusicMagic Fingerprint"
with the main purpose generating playlists in MusicIP Mixer.
The only advantage - except generating playlists in MusicIP Mixer - is, the songs are analyzed and as a result known in the MusicIP (AmpiFIND) database. The programs at AmpliFind around the database now generates a PUID for the song and when you use Jaikoz the next day, you don't have to wait for 24hours getting the PUID.
If you only use Jaikoz, you have to run Jaikoz two times for songs that are new to the AmpliFIND database.
Getting the PUID without Jaikoz, you have to use the program genpuid.exe (genpuid_win32_1.4.zip) and write some scripts around that DOS program (maybe the is (was) a Linux version too).

paultaylor,

it was a permission issue. I've used D-link DNS-323 as a NAS for my music.

Unfortunately this is not stable platform and there are a lot of complains about files access rights.

So, I change it for QNAP 410, looks much better.

BTW,

Could you provide me best practice for autocorrector tasks?

I have a base for over 7.000 cd, all ripped to flac files and I don't want to experiment so much

Many thanks,