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I seem to be having a nightmare with screenshots, I tried to attach one to the original post and it kept crashing on submit, and then you can't see the hosted pic either!

Anyway, I did a manual match as suggested and yes it updated the track ids.

No problem.

Ok so take for example Avi Buffalo's self titled album from 2009.

As you will see from the screenshot here https://www.photobox.co.uk/my/photo?album_id=5281980424&photo_id=500657959349, my files currently have the musicbrainz release ID:

When I click update metadata from existing musicbrainz, I get the "no map..." warning.

Interestingly the "no map..." references musicbrainz release ID:
368288f8-5960-4ef4-ac0c-d33db0f70b1c and not the ID in the tag.

Both of these releases exist on musicbrainz

Although only the second one is available if you just go the artist page and click the album link. They look to be duplicates tbh, anyway....

My question is two fold
1) What does this warning mean?
2) Is there an automated option to fix or do I have to manually delete the metadata and rematch?
Whilst updating the Musicbrainz and Discogs data on my collection I often see "no map between song... and release...." I presume this is where either the original Discogs URL/MB Release ID has changed or the IDs have just been copy and pasted manually in the fields.

Is there any automatic way to remove the MB/Discogs Release IDs for those in order to rescan and find a proper match, or do I have to do it manually?
I'm going through my my Various Artist compilations and updating tag info from MB and Discogs.

I note that some albums are being "mangled" and on further inspection it's clear that it's because the albums in question have more than one unique MB ID and/or Discogs ID.

So my question is, what is the easiest way to fix these? I have around 100,000 tracks to go through, so I don't really want to do it manually.

I thought of just stripping all of the discogs and mbids and retagging but that seems a bit extreme as I'm sure there are plenty tagged correctly.

I guess I could export the tags to a spreadsheet and use the album name vs MB Album ID / discogs ID to remove dupes and then check for any that have more than one listing of the album.

Before I do so is there something obvious within the app that I'm missing?
Excellent, cheers.
Not strictly a Jaikoz question but I can't for the life of me fathom it out.

So I tag a FLAC album in Jaikoz and then convert it to MP3. *
I then Load the MP3s into Jaikoz to check the tags.

The following map across:

Disc No
Track No
Album Artist

However Sort Artist, Sort Album Artist, Grouping, Musicbrainz, Discogs tags all sit under User Defined Text Info rather than the Jaikoz fields.

I'm guessing this to do with the mapping from FLAC Vorbis Comments to MP3 ID3V2 tags.

I'm looking to convert a large library of Jaikoz tagged FLACs to MP3 but don't want to have to retag the MP3s once converted.

Any hints?

*Using DBPoweramp with Default DSP ID Tag Processing Set
Same result using Foobar

Thanks for the explanation, although I must admit I'm still confused.

Probably doesn't help that I don't use iTunes.

For reference when i was referring to Grouping vs Contentgroup, I was viewing this tag in MP3Tag and was basing it on the field name in those apps rather than the ID for the field. While I tag the majority of my files with Jaikoz I still use mp3tag for the odd more stubborn match.

Files which I tagged with jaikoz last year have my discog genres in the tag called GROUPING and files that I've tagged recently have them in the tag called CONTENTGROUP. If they both map to the same field that's cool.

To be honest I use Plex and Kodi to play music neither of which use the grouping field, I just figured at some point in the future one or the other might allow it to be used.

I noticed recently that the Grouping field on Jaikoz has switched from %grouping% to %contentgroup% when viewing. I'm sure there are reasons for this, so not too fussed.

I want to update all of my existing media so that the %contentgroup% field now has data (in my case Discogs Genre) and then I want to delete the old %grouping% field.

I loaded up an album and I can see the old grouping field on the ID3tag tab under the column "Unknown list", an example if i open the display data box is: GRP1:Text="Rock";

All fine and good but I can't copy that field to the new %contentgroup% field (or any field for that matter). I also wanted to check if I could remove the old %grouping% field, so I went ahead and selected empty column, which removed the data in that column and saved.

Closed Jaikoz and opened it again reloaded the files and the Unknown List/GRP1 tag is still there.

Now I could go into mp3tag and just copy from %grouping% to %contentgroup% but I'd rather do it in Jaikoz due to memory limitations. Not all of my media has tags derived from discogs/mb, but they do all have a grouping so I can't just use update discogs data to populate the new field.

Am I missing something obvious?

Apologies for the delay. The issue seems to have ceased. I think Windows was losing the drive map to my NAS and that was causing Jaikoz to close.

Ever since I updated Windows 10 to the latest version, Jaikoz has been crashing on me.

No errors as such, it just disappears a few seconds after "auto-correct songs" is triggered.

I'm running:
Windows Home 10.0.15063 Build 15063
Jaikoz 9.2.0 NGS Pro (64 bit)

Anyone else having this issue?

NCF wrote:
I'd like to see a new filter in Jaikoz: by file last modification timestamp. Sometimes we process some tracks and just forget an action (capitalization, for instance), so it's easier to go back and select the files to review based on the file modification timestamp. 

Would it be possible to customise the existing 3 filters to select exactly the fields you'd like filtered. This would be useful to see which fields were empty other than Artist.Genre.Album.

paultaylor wrote:
That is the purpose of Save and Move if Matched 

That was badly explained. I mean where say musicbrainz hasn't been matched but discogs has, or all of the necessary main tags are in place.

paultaylor wrote:
Since your folder structure groups songs by their original album rather than the overall collection Jaikoz will always try to match to those smaller grouping rather than than the overall release, and for most people this would be the correct behaviour.

Making use of the Match to Song to Specified MusicBraunz/Discogs[Album option or Match to One MusicBrainz/Discogs Album would be your best solution. 

Makes sense thanks
I've recently discovered that I can move folders that have been updated by Musicbrainz using "Save and Move" which is great. Would it be possible to combine that with the rename folder/file masks so that any tagged folders could be renamed and moved to my music directory in the form I like while leaving the non-tagged items in situ for manual intervention?
I notice that Jaikoz struggles with a collection of albums sold as one package, more often than not naming the original individual albums rather than the overall collection.

For an example I've just tagged UFO's The Complete Studio Albums 1974-1986 using the auto-tag function. As the collection does not exist on ,the tagger has tagged the individual albums as the originals. However the collection does exist on Discogs (https://www.discogs.com/UFO-The-Complete-Studio-Albums-1974-1986/release/6771341) but the tagger will never look for that as it already has the associated individual discogs urls from the musicbrainz releases.

For reference the folder structure as it stands is:

Artist - Year - Album/Artist -Year - Original Album1/Track - Title
Artist -Year - Original Album2/Track - Title

I had the same problem with a Talking Heads album collection where the folders were a little better

Artist/ Year - Album/CD 1 - Original Album1/Track - Title
CD 2 - Original Album2/Track - Title

Is there any way to correct this behaviour other than a manual match to specified discogs release?
Yes, sorry.

I presume that the "/" between 01/02 for instance is causing Jaikoz to reject the track no?

It's fine I'll just rerun mp3tag to format the track no back to two digits. Mp3tag it's clearly not splitting the track no / track total to separate tags when using it's numbering wizard.
In that case it's probably mp3tag being non-compliant. I'll send the screenshots via email in any case.


It used to change the /u0000 to a square on tab, but now it just deletes the value and leaves nothing in it's place.

I'm also seeing behaviour where in mp3tag a track has a tag of:

TRACK - 01/02

However in Jaikoz the track is blank and only the total tracks is displayed.

I tried to attach a couple of screenshots explaining what I mean, but the forum keeps timing out.

For reference this is happening on FLAC tags

I like to use multiple genre tags on my music files which I've set Jaikoz to pick up from Styles on Discogs. This all works as expected.

I'm retagging some old music which I think I did on Mp3Tag. I had the genre separator on mp3tag as \\. Where it worked the genres map to a tag each and display correctly in Jaikoz

i.e. mp3tag

GENRE: Indie Rock
GENRE: Alternative Rock
GENRE: Pop Rock


Genre: [3]Pop Rock
*The others being underneath.

However some of my files just pull through as a single string:
GENRE: Indie Rock\\Alternative Rock\\Pop Rock

I seem to remember I used to be able to search and replace on Jaikoz using the unicode \u0000 to split entries, but it won't accept that as an entry anymore. Is this by design or a bug?

v9.10 Build 1160

Works a treat.

One other question, "move associated files" only moves from the folder level that holds the music files. Is there any way to get it to move a subfolder too (or the containing files) where the stricture is something like:

Albumx\01 - Song.mp3
Ah, that makes sense. Ok I'll give that a shot. Cheers
As above

function ifnotempty(value,sep){
return value.length > 0 ? value + sep : '';

function ifnotempty2(value1,value2,sep){
return value1.length > 0 ? value1 + sep :value2.length > 0 ? value2 + sep:'' ;

ifnotempty2(albumartistsort,artistsort,folderseparator) + ifnotempty(year," - " + album,folderseparator) + (disctotal>1 ? discno + folderseparator : '')

I thought I'd have another go at using the folder/file rename masks on Jaikoz as I'm fed up having to load the tagged files into mp3tag to move them to their end folders.

What I'm looking for is:

%albumartistsort%\%year% - %album%\'disc '%discno% (if more than one disc)\%trackno% - %title%


Using http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/53b0d89e-f856-3015-a3a6-a70e1e935fd6

For original release of U2's Boy

U2\1980 - Boy\01 - I Will Follow

For 2008 Re-issue of U2's Boy

U2\2008 - Boy\Disc 1\01 - I Will Follow

I edited the javascript file as follows:

function ifnotempty(value,sep){
return value.length > 0 ? value + sep : '';

function ifnotempty2(value1,value2,sep){
return value1.length > 0 ? value1 + sep :value2.length > 0 ? value2 + sep:'' ;

ifnotempty2(albumartistsort,artistsort,folderseparator) + ifnotempty(year," - " + album,folderseparator) + (disctotal>1 ? discno + folderseparator : '')

This works fine if there is only one disc but when there are 2 or more gives me folders like:

U2\2008 - Boy1
U2\2008 - Boy2

I thought by putting the folderseparator after album it would give me U2\2008 - Boy\Disc 1\...

Any ideas?

Apologies for opening an old post but I was thinking about Jaikoz wishlist features and it fits this thread, but not quite the solution.

I use XBMC/Kodi to play my media and I have the multiple artist separator set as " / " (no quotes). Therefore if I select an artist I can see everything they have done including whether they were just a featured artist.

Usually once I have auto tagged all my tracks I than have to go back and replace any with " and " or " & " or "feat" or ", " etc with " / " where there are more than one artist.

In the past I've ended up doing this on Mp3Tag as I could filter to any Artist, Album Artist or track title having the above characters, and then use replace functions. However there is no way of knowing whether the artist actually has an " and " (e.g. Tegan and Sara) in the name or whether it's two artists so there is still a lot of manual checking of discogs and other sources to make sure i am splitting correctly.

Is there a way on Jaikoz to automatically use " / " to separate artists and album artists where there is more than one artist, and also preferably be able to do the same where a title has feat. moving the featured artist into the artist field after a " / "?
A new version you say?

Well I may hold off my tidy up of genres that I was about to do.
Also I can see what the issue is now with the Genres/Styles from discogs and it's happening on auto-correct too.

If there are more than one Discogs Genre, Jaikoz is mapping the first one to Grouping and the rest to Genre along with the styles.

For example http://www.discogs.com/release/3650214

Based on my mappings this should have the following:

Discogs Genre to Jaikoz Grouping (Max 9) = 1. Electronic 2. Rock
Discogs Style to Jaikoz Genre (Max 9) = 1. Alternative Rock 2. Experimental

In reality what the Jaikoz does is:

Grouping: Electronic
Genre: 1. Rock 2. Alternative Rock 3. Experimental

So I guess it's a bug.
That would be great. In fact if the same could apply to artwork where not on selected item but available on nearest version I would be most pleased!
As long as it's user configurable I would love a whitelist/greylist for genres.

Edit - Having read your link to the Songkong implementation that looks perfect. Especially if it's essentially a text file or a csv.

On the subject of genres, some version of releases on discogs don't have any genre/style wheres others do. Say LP has it and CD doesn't. Is there any way to get Jaikoz to check other versions of the release if no genre/style is found on the one that it's matched to?
I'm running Jaikoz 7.11 on Windows 8.

I use discogs styles as my genres and generally this works great but I do end up with inconsistencies such as hip hop, hip-hop, drum n bass, drum & bass etc

As there is no whitelist of genres that I can use I'm trying to set up a word replacer to local correct genres after tagging from Discogs. I have the following set up in Preferences:

Manipulators Tab/Word Replacer Sub-Tab

Custom replacer set up as "Genre Replace" (no quotes) containing...

From      To
Hip Hop     Hip-Hop
Drum n Bass   Drum & Bass

and various others...

Local Correct Tab/Automatch Sub-Tab

"Do local correct on songs that already have a musicbrainz id" - Checked

Local Correct Tab/Autoformat Sub-Tab/Genre

"Enable Replacement" - Checked
"Replace words by another word" - Genre Replace

Save and exit preferences.

I then run Actions/Local Correct/Correct Genres and..... nothing changes. I think I'm doing everything correctly but I'm lost as to what I'm missing. Any ideas?

Also not to muddy the waters but I have a second issue. I have my genres set to discogs style and my grouping set to discogs genres which works fine on the automated tasks. However if I select an album and run it through "match to one discogs option" it pulls through one of the discogs genres e.g. rock, electronic as well as the discogs styles as the genres.
Hi Paul

I currently use Jaikoz for tagging, but having watched one of your Songkong Youtube vids I'm experimenting with the trial of Songkong to see if it suits my needs.

So far it looks pretty good and the only thing I have an issue with is the file masks.

My music library is organised as follows:

Albumartist First Letter/Albumartist/Album (Year)/Track - Title

unless the albumartist starts with "The" in which case it's

Albumartistsort First Letter/Albumartistsort/Album (Year)/Track - Title

My various artists are set as

Various Artists/Album (Year)/Track - Artist - Title

Is it possible to do something like that with the filename mask edit? It's been a long time since I've written any code so I couldn't work it out.

If it's possible I'll probably buy a license.



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