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My two cents here, I thought Jaikoz was broken yesterday when I used 5.2 for the first time. I was accustomed to doing the following:

1. Doing an autocorrect on a list of songs.
2. Double-checking them and perhaps cleaning up a couple of issues.
3. Pressing Command-3 to change my base folder

(and then I would go on to fix the directory/file names and other things)

But right there at #3 I chose my base folder and nothing happened (that I could see). I expected all 17 songs to just automatically change to the base folder, but they did not, due to the way that "universal" function keys have changed. And from this thread it seems that this is an overall change for how all functionality of "all vs some" actions are now being implemented.

While I can see some logic in why you changed it, for me personally, having function keys that worked on "all tracks" and then selecting and right-clicking to manage a new set of functions for only the selected items made perfect sense.

I'm smart enough (heehee) to be able to adapt, but it was not at all intuitive to me on the first run.

I do love the program though, and I'm sure as I start understanding the new features, the changes will not be an issue to me.

I'm sure I've just overlooked something simple. I have some songs on my local drive that I updated with Jaikoz, and now I want to save them out to my network drive where all of our music resides. It's at:


When I try to change the base location, I get:

/Volumes/Macintosh HD/Volumes/music/Artist/Album/Track

So obviously I've got something wrong. Any hints greatly appreciated!


Sorry if this is addressed somewhere here already. I couldn't find it in a search.

I'm using Jaikoz on my Mac (10.7.4, Jaikoz version ______).

It's been awhile since I used Jaikoz, and I'm noticing that my fields are not changing color when an edit is made. I just happened to "notice' that something very bad was going to happen to one of my songs (a Linda Ronstadt song was being identified as a !0cc song of all things!), and prevented it, but now it means I will need to do things in much smaller batches and really scrutinize everything rather than just looking at field color changes.

Is this a known issue on Mac, or should I be able to fix it. I have tried to change colors around to see if that kick-starts in, but so far no joy.


Yes, I understood the differences. And I'll probably create a script to do so!


Okay. I know there are "strippers" that will take that info out. I'm not as interested in removing it as I am in just being able to annotate who did what!


Our family has multiple Apple IDs. Can Jaikoz find the apple ID in the file metadata and show it so that we can then put a comment in the tags as to who purchased the tracks? I'm not readily finding such a feature.


Thanks - I thought I had posted this here, but I can't see my reply from earlier in the week. I do note that this is not a problem with playlists either, so I started creating playlists for some of the things I wanted to check with Jaikoz. We have over 32K tracks in our library (and it's growing as we continue to digitize LPs), and I like to use Jaikoz to deal with subsets of things. So it was easier (albeit slow as you point out) to just drag-drop. But now that I see that the playlists will work well (and faster) I will probably switch to that.

I'm glad you found the problem though, because I'm likely not the only one who will ever try to take the lazy way through this!


Ah - I wasn't looking in the right place!

Thanks - got it!
What rule is it that is always changing an ampersand to the word "and"? I don't really want that to happen all of the time! Also, dashes are removed it seems, and I'm not that keen on that either. Is there some place where I can disable these changes without totally turning off local correct?


Sent - thanks!

It is a networked drive yes, but moving the files locally does the same thing:

Sep 14, 2010 7:09:53 AM: INFO: Started to load files from /Users/danita/temp/Béla Fleck/Perpetual Motion
Sep 14, 2010 7:09:53 AM: WARNING: File/Users/danita/temp/Béla Fleck/Perpetual Motion/Béla Fleck_03_Doctor Gradus ad Parnassum from Children's Corner.mp3 is a symbolic link and has been ignored
Sep 14, 2010 7:09:53 AM: INFO: Counted 1 files that could be loaded from /Users/danita/temp/Béla Fleck/Perpetual Motion
Sep 14, 2010 7:09:53 AM: INFO: Completed loading of 0 songs from /Users/danita/temp/Béla Fleck/Perpetual Motion
Sep 14, 2010 7:09:54 AM: INFO: 0 files are loaded

I renamed the "Béla Fleck" directory to just "Bela Fleck" and renamed the file so it also did not have an accented character:

Sep 13, 2010 4:53:40 PM: INFO: Started to load files from /Volumes/music/Bela Fleck/Perpetual Motion
Sep 13, 2010 4:53:42 PM: INFO: Counted 1 files that could be loaded from /Volumes/music/Bela Fleck/Perpetual Motion
Sep 13, 2010 4:53:42 PM: INFO: Completed loading of 1 songs from /Volumes/music/Bela Fleck/Perpetual Motion
Sep 13, 2010 4:53:43 PM: INFO: 1 files are loaded

So, without the accents, the file loaded just fine.


Definitely not symlinks - for example:

lrwxr-xr-x@ 1 danita danita 30 Aug 24 14:42 .gemini -> /Users/danita/Documents/gemini


drwxrwxrwx 1 danita danita 16384 Aug 21 20:20 Bette Midler
drwxrwxrwx 1 danita danita 16384 Mar 13 2010 Better Than Ezra
drwxrwxrwx 1 danita danita 16384 Mar 31 12:20 Béla Fleck
drwxrwxrwx 1 danita danita 16384 Mar 13 2010 Big Head Todd & the Monster

Definitely just a directory.

I can try to rename it later when I get back from work. It would only be a "curiosity" for me to do so, because with a library of over 35000 items, I no doubt have thousands of these examples, either in folder names or file names, and it would be a real PITA to try to fix all of these.

I get the following on songs that have extended (accented) characters in the file names/directory names:

Sep 12, 2010 10:37:18 AM: WARNING: File/Volumes/music/France d'Amour/Le présent/03 Pourrons-nous jamais être amis _.m4a is a symbolic link and has been ignored
Sep 12, 2010 10:37:19 AM: WARNING: File/Volumes/music/Béla Fleck/Perpetual Motion/Béla Fleck_16_Adagio sostenuto from Piano Sonata No. 14 in C-sharp minor, Op. 27, No. 2 Moonlight.mp3 is a symbolic link and has been ignored

The error message is deceiving of course. It's not a symbolic link, but there are accented characters. I noticed today when I attempted to load about 1900 songs from a playlist to check and only 1850 actually loaded.

I have a LOT of songs that are like this, and quite honestly, even the iTunes store saves them this way (one of the above songs is one that was downloaded directly from the iTunes store, the other probably from eMusic or Amazon).

Any chance of getting this looked at for a future release?


I'm getting closer, but they always want to save to /Volumes/artist/album. I've tried changing the "Specify the number of folders above this selection to set the base folder to" to 0, but the files still drop out the "music" portion of the path. I got around this by just specifying the base folder as /Volumes/music/Downloads, and now it drops the "Downloads" and things save where I want them. Weird huh!

So, I guess it's working okay for me, and in "one" save now. That said, I would like the option of making the "Create subfolders hierarchy" the default. I'm managed to get bitten by that one twice in my testing - but these things just keep me on my toes!

Thanks for confirming that it should work. I'm getting there!

I must just not be "getting" something here, because I'm sure this should work, but it's eluding me.

All of my music is on an external drive (a separate server actually), and so it's on /Volumes/music on my Mac (or just "music:" from within most applications.

When I download music from iTunes, Amazon, etc. I can control it, and the music always downloads to that volume, but sometimes I end up with music in my downloads directory, etc. So I pull those tracks up in Jaikoz, clean them up, and I ultimately want to save them to /Volumes/music/%artist%/%album$/track

So far, the best I've been able to do is do a File and Folder Correct|Correct Subfolders from Tags. And then do a "Save and Move" to get them to the music volume. I tried changing the "base" folder to the music volume, thinking maybe that would force the files there in one action, but it doesn't seem to.

Now of course, it's not the end of the world to have to do it in two separate actions if that's what it takes. I'm just trying to verify that I haven't missed something basic!


I'm not sure about that really, because jHymn used to be able to strip the purchaser info - but maybe that's cause it could access this "atom"? But one would think that would cause other issues.

Anyway, that one might be impossible, and I'll just have to continue doing what I do with it and just occasionally see the "new" music that is from iTunes and update it.

Still would love a way to do the "ratings". I think there are other programs that can, but 1) I've only done some cursory googling on the subject and 2) it would be a shame to have to use another product when Jaikoz is so cool


I have one small issue with Jaikoz that I'd like to see a way to fix. We purchase music from various sources, and for example, Amazon puts [Explicit] on the name of the album or track to indicate an explicit track. Of course, MusicBrainz wants to remove this from the track name, and I have to watch and try to catch it.

What would be even more useful would be a way to access the "rating" field and just mark these tracks as explicit in a way that iTunes will respect.

Additionally, there are 5 of us in our house, and I would like a "visible" way in a column in iTunes to see which iTunes account actually purchased a song. What I've been doing in the past was searching for m4p files and putting the iTunes purchaser in the comments field. This is not so easy now that all iTunes music is "plus" music. I guess I could search for m4a songs, but my children ripped quite a few CDs over time using m4a format (I always use LAME and MP3), so it would bring up a ton of songs that need to be checked - but I guess a one time check like that would work, but it would be really useful if we could just see this field in Jaikoz and copy it to the comments field.

Anyway, I don't see that either of these fields are visible in Jaikoz, and it would be nice if they were.

Am I just missing something?


Something seems to be "up" with the MusicBrainz servers. I can retrieve MusicIP IDs, but I'm having a lot of trouble with the MusicBrainz server. I can go manually find an ID and enter it, but then when I try to update tags from that ID nothing happens. If I try to download the IDs, I sometimes get ONE ID for a list of like 40 songs, but then I can't get any more for that list in the same session. I also note that when the "Auto" function gets to lyrics it complains of NetWork errors, and then if I try it again I get "lyrics service already marked unavailable".

Sometimes Jaikoz will just look like it's "finished' with the MusicBrainz stuff, and others it will actually say "unable to connect to the MusicBrainz server" - but it comes and goes.

Anyone else seeing things like this?



paultaylor wrote:
Ummm, if you have restarted Jaikoz it wont have remembered what you had open previously, maybe there is an error that occurs when you select multiple folders to open in one go but I havent seen it myself. If there is you can get round it by using Add Folder and adding the folders one by one, but obviously this is not ideal 

I would have suspected it as well, but it does happen - actually, I'm "dragging" folders into Jaikoz, because since I have such a large directory of files it takes a long time for Jaikoz to show them if I use Open or Add - so I keep Finder open with the music directory there, and I drag the A-F or whatever directories onto Jaikoz.

Looks like when this happens if I actually "Open" the directories, it works again.

So, maybe I'm doing something "unsupported"


paultaylor wrote:

If you want to do this yourself can see the bitrate column by selecting View/Show View Pane and selecting the Audio Tab, this shos all the audio information about your files. This isnt displayed on the ecit tab because it cannot be modified. 

Ah - that is useful info - thanks. Takes awhile to find all of the goodies

I have started having an odd issue. If I try to select a number of folders and open them together (I'm doing A-D, E-H kind of chunks), I get a message that says:

Unable to Load Some Audio Files:

You already have blah, blah loaded, you cannot load it twice.

This happens even if I've closed Jaikoz and reopened fresh with NO files loaded. I'm going to reboot my Macbook, because I'm suspecting that the Java memory might just be freaked out, but it's an odd one.

Before I try to do this, how does the program decide "which" duplicate to delete? If I had a column that showed me bit rate (and maybe I'm just totally overlooking it), I would probably just show the duplicates and manually delete the lower bit rate if that's the main difference, etc., but I don't want to just let the program delete unless I know what the deletion choice is based on.



danitaz wrote:

As for the disappearing menus, I wonder if it has anything to do with canceling MusicIP downloads in the middle.

This seems like a likely scenario. This time it wasn't the MusicIP downloads though, it was the Autocorrect Tags from MusicBrainz that I canceled.

1. I turned on the filter for files with no MusicBrainz IDs.
2. I did a run for about an hour while I was out.
3. I came back and wanted to just go ahead and save what was imported.
4. I canceled the download
5. I turned off the filter
6. I saved the files
7. I went back to the filter to turn back on the filter for files with no MB ID and the submenus were gone.




paultaylor wrote:
Hi Ive posted a fix for the save hanging issue, you can get it from here:


Thanks - I'll give that a try.

As for the disappearing menus, I wonder if it has anything to do with canceling MusicIP downloads in the middle. Really ALL I've been doing so far is MusicIP, MusicBrainz, etc. So, it's difficult to come up with duplication steps for the problem, because I can't really seem to just make it happen at will.


I have a couple of new user questions - sorry that they are so dumb

1. Sometimes when I do a "save" I'm told how many files need to be saved, and sometimes not. Not a huge deal, but it's nice to know when there are a lot of files to save.

2. I "lose" menu options, and the only way to continue really is to shut down and reload the files. Since it takes about 5 minutes to reload the 25000 library, this is a slight annoyance. For example, I had a filter on to show only items that did not have MusicIP IDs. I wanted to turn the filter off, but When I went to Filters|Filter MusicIP Accoustic IDs, the 4 options that should be there are not - i.e., the submenu doesn't open. This has happened multiple times.

3. Occasionally when I save, I'm told I have X items to save and then it shows all but about 11 items saved and seems to just get "stuck". It sits there like that for a long time - I've let it run for an hour like that - I have to close Jaikoz to stop this. This has happened multiple times.

I think there are a couple more oddities, but I can't think of them right now - I'll post back when I do



paultaylor wrote:

One customer with a very large collection settled on batches of about 20,000 and was happy with the results, see this post http://www.jthink.net/jaikozforum/posts/list/459.page

I may do this as well. I have some other questions, but they aren't related to "large number of files" - so I'll post a new thread to avoid confusiong


I seem to be also having some "difficulties" with large numbers of files. I upped my memory to 600MB, and still could not load all of the 25000 files I have. I've upped it to 800MB to see if that will fix it. I'm using the "trial" license right now just to look at it, and it seems to me that with this many files things are VERY slow. I tried the "auto" button, and it jumped right into doing the Music IP ID grabbing after it did a number of other updates. This was doing probably no more than one file every 45 seconds. I stopped that and did a smaller subset, and that seems better.

My concern of course, is that although I'm sure I have a fair number of "duplicates", we're also still only about 1/2 way through our music ripping process. Then again, once we get the library "in order" maybe we won't really even "need" the product any longer, but I have teenagers involved in this project too, and my guess is they will not be that consistent over time <g>.

Will this product really be able to handle our volume?


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